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[Lexi]

mwhaha. i can already tell I'm going to enjoy this... what with taking philosophy classes and all.

so, this is an ongoing discussion/argument I've been having with a couple of friends of mine...

"Once one admits to knowing nothing, one will then know everything."
how do you interpret that and do you agree with the statement?

personally, I interpret it as growing up & gaining maturity. throughout teenage years you think you know everything and that you're the first to have ever done something, and then as soon as you get to 20 it seems to hit you like a brick wall that all these years you've been wrong and really haven't known as much as you think. Therefore, your mind is open enough to then begin accepting and learning.

so. your comments?

[The One]

I agree, one must be open to new ideas in order to have good ideas in the first place. Most things are open to debate anyway. There are many shades of grey. If one is either solid black or solid white, they probably dont get it.

[Carl]

What is knowledge? Do you know what knowledge is? If you don't know what knowledge is, I suppose you know nothing at all, for how can you know something if you don't know that you know?

[Lexi]

lol. that was basically the argument I presented when asked to discuss science vs. creationism.

[Carl]

If you start with that argument, you cannot lose a debate unless it was a formal debate. If they try to turn the argument back on you, you just say "It's impolite to ask a question without first answering the question you were asked. Answer mine and I'll answer yours in turn"

[Lexi]

we don't really debate... just kind of throw ideas and possible reasons around... the first discussion seemed to confuse everyone though- they didn't understand how to argue without attacking the opposite side, which was kind of sad to watch, but I wasn't going to intervene. I gave them the facts and the methods, they just didn't use them. *shrug* so when all was said and done, and they had convinced themselves that their side absolutely had to be correct, I threw that one into the mix just to confuse them all again. It's amusing to watch a bunch of teenagers sit awestruck at the thought of something that's so huge its almost incomprehensible.

[edit]
at some point I want to start confusing them even more by talking about evolution and the transitions into the 3rd and 4th dimensions and how if you look at it the right way, science and religion work hand in hand.

Edited by Lexi, 24 October 2006 - 03:11 PM.

[CaptainHenreh]

I don't buy it. It's entry level Zen style recursive thought.

Saying something like "You can't know anything until you realize you know nothing" or any variation thereof is just pithy -- not wise.

I mean, I can say something like "No man steps any the same river twice" and get a big "No shit, dumbass!"

Damn, I should have lived in 700 bc. I could have been, like, Confucius.

CaptainHenreh say, Man who say he know nothing, know everything.

They ate that shit up back then.

[westclox]

I don't buy it. It's entry level Zen style recursive thought.

Saying something like "You can't know anything until you realize you know nothing" or any variation thereof is just pithy -- not wise.

I mean, I can say something like "No man steps any the same river twice" and get a big "No shit, dumbass!"

Damn, I should have lived in 700 bc. I could have been, like, Confucius.

CaptainHenreh say, Man who say he know nothing, know everything.

They ate that shit up back then.

thats all philosphy is. things that are obvious made to sound deep and thoughtful.

all talk and no mustard.

[kell]

but your content is rich and full-flavored...like dijon mustard or a maybe a deli brown?

[westclox]

i am partial to a bit of deli brown

[Sandy is my wizard]

Im partial to collecting phones and supergluing them together to built things.

[Rynfish]

Like a much bigger phone, i reckon thats gonna be the new trend, not tiny phones MASSIVE phones, like the size of cars

[Rex]

now thats just impracticle

[Red]

thats all philosphy is. things that are obvious made to sound deep and thoughtful.

all talk and no mustard.

Good cause i hate mustard.


I agree with that saying. You can't learn if you think you already know it. so to accept that you may not know it all you can began to grasp more and more etc.

No one will ever know EVERYTHING though...

[Sandy is my wizard]

Like the appropriate mustard to serve with steak and kidney pie.

[Emo...]

These days knowing something is almost always connected to hard facts like some baseball players RBI or the date of something, but to know something about life shows through experience not how much you know. Information only clutters what you really need to know so if you know nothing you have a real chance to learn the most about life, and no I am not saying you have to be dumb to experience life. Just look at children they dont know anything but they enjoy life soo much more than us adults do, I dont know if that makes any sense to anyone but thats what I think about it. It can almost be directly connected to the phrase "Less is more".

[That NACHOS Chick]

wow.... this is why i hate philosophy because i dont get a word of it it all confuses me..... but im good a debating.... but yeah..... heres what i think its saying....

That when you think you know everything you really know nothing because theres always other people's opinon's and then you have the fact's, but when you admit to not knowing anything you start opening your mind to other people's views and you can look at the fact's that are presented. Which then you can actually know a bit more, but noone can know everything because there's alway's something new to learn something new comming out. The more you open your mind and let things in the more you understand things and the more you learn, so that way when the new information come's you can always look back and add that information in.....

(eehh... hope you guys can make some sence of that)

Edited by To Understand Me, 08 November 2006 - 07:39 PM.